[EAS] IP transmission of CAP Authority to form State Emerg. Comm. Committees

Thu Mar 3 14:13:21 CST 2011

I just meant to use EMnet one example of a prevalent system that goes beyond Internet distribution.

There are at least two others that are looking at state-owned (or leased) wireless communications assets to disseminate CAP EAS.

Just a reminder - any CAP originator that wishes to relay alerts into the FEMA aggregator will also need to pass IPAWS conformity assessment.  There is a lot of value added for this - even if a locality does not want to rely on IPAWS for EAS dissemination, they still may want to access IPAWS to gain mobile alert dissemination through the IPAWS CMAS network.

If an originator/aggregator is originating EAS protocol tones, they they certainly should (and do) fall under 47 CFR 11.33. So "yea" on that aspect.

If an originator is originating CAP only for consumption by certified EAS CAP devices, then the originator should certainly get IPAWS conformed (listed on the RKB), though they may not fall under Part 11 directly. 

If 700 Mhz can provide enough bandwidth for relay of CAP+audio file (and potentially future streaming audio for EAN), then both agencies and outsourced operators should have access to it.  In any event, I think it's going to be an awfully tall hill to climb to get access to that bandwidth.  

Edward Czarnecki, Ph.D.
Senior Director - Strategy, Development and Regulatory Affairs
Monroe Electronics, Inc. / Digital Alert Systems
ed.czarnecki at monroe-electronics.com

www.monroe-electronics.com
www.digitalalertsystems.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Rudman [mailto:rar01 at me.com]
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Subject: Re: [EAS] IP transmission of CAP Authority to form State Emerg. Comm. Committees

Ed is correct. There are most certainly states relying on third party non-government IP solutions.As long as Ed brings it up, many of you know that I have never been comfortable with government outsourcing a function that is so closely tied to a basic government duty -- i.e., warning a public at risk so that said public can take proper protective action.Is outsourcing better than nothing? Of course. Is outsourcing the warning aggregation function a practical long term solution? I think not, despite the fact that things seem to be working well right now in Washington State and other regions.Outsourced or not, there are as of now no published standards for private or private aggregators to be measured against or to be held accountable to in event problems arise.And, while I am at it, let me ask the group a question: Should aggregators, public and private sector alike, be held to the same compliance standards as broadcast and cable entities regulated by 47 CFR Part 11?Yea? Nay?And finally, one more plug for my idea that the FCC and FEMA ask local governments and states to allow CAP overrides for existing UHF low priority repeater systems to backup, reinforce and be last ditch ways for CAP-EAS messages to get to broadcast and cable entry points. IP delivery from public or private sources via the internet is not enough, and a fall back to "Classic EAS" is to me not a sound long term strategy for warnings that are supposed to save lives and property.Yea or Nay on that?Richard Rudman On Mar 3, 2011, at 11:22 AM, ed.czarnecki at monroe-electronics.com wrote:> Why do we keep equating CAP exclusively with terrestrial Internet? A considerable number of states have satellite or terrestrial wireless systems - either deployed or in development. > > One case study is the EMnet states - a not inconsequential block of states already have an upgradable capability to relay CAP directly via satellite or Internet. Satellite EAS penetration from that one system exists in Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, DC, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, Indiana, Illinois and Michigan.> > Even if satellite downlinks are not available to all, CAP can be sent directly via Internet to the remainder. Should Internet fail, then legacy EAS can be used to retransmit from the satellite enabled stations. Fairly elegant built in redundancy...> > I guess one issue is an assumption that the IPAWS aggregator will be the sole source of CAP alerts. That is not true - there are something like 22+ states with their own CAP origination capability of some sort.> > Another assumption that could be challenged is IPAWS disseminating only via the Internet. There's no reason why a system like EMnet could not uplink IPAWS messaging from the source, and relay it via its own satellite network. > > I'm not sure the threat of ISPs going down is completely convincing given the solutions that are already out there and can be brought into the mix.> > > Edward Czarnecki, Ph.D.> Senior Director - Strategy, Development and Regulatory Affairs> Monroe Electronics, Inc. / Digital Alert Systems> ed.czarnecki at monroe-electronics.com> www.monroe-electronics.com> www.digitalalertsystems.com> > -----Original Message-----From: Barry Mishkind [mailto:barry at oldradio.com]Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2011 10:11 AMTo: 'The EAS Forum - accurate & up-to-date EAS information'Subject: Re: [EAS] Authority to form State Emerg. Comm. CommitteesAt 05:27 AM 3/3/2011, Tom Taggart wrote:>CAP really isn't all that different. Just grafting the>internet on 50's era structures. ... at least until the Internet goes out due to loss of power, lines, etc. As one example, consider this point: if CAP is designed, among other things, to verify the "secret code" for GMC, then one of the federal agencies has to actually stop and address what will happen if the Internet ISPs go down during an emergency. Otherwise, the station engineer have to be sent out to the local grocery store to get a "secret decoder ring" in the cereal department - which will be about as useful. IMHO, it seems that each stakeholder in the process seems to focus only on the very small part of the overall picture that is their! "!> kingdom." As often occurs in dialog in this country, there may never be full agreement on the whole picture, but with each agency and group pushing their "vision," it is instructive to stop and notice all the blind spots. This disconnect is likely a large reason many are no longer interested in the entire EAS - or despair at the lack of attention to the major "what if?"s that still are not answered. Some now are wondering if the Part 11 NPRM, long rumored to actually happen, will be the FCC's "gift" during NAB.>However, adding more rules, creating more formal state>structures, and more mandates would not help matters. We>don't need another sandbox for the politicians to play in. True. The only way things are going to improve (the Part 11 stuff, anyway) is if the folks in the field are not only asked in a reasonably collaborative way to make suggestions, but if their input is actually listened to. Nor can this process of transition be driven solely by the manufacturers. The! i!> r vested interests are no more, no less capable of complicating things> as any other stakeholder. Nor can it be driven by mandates to broadcasters along with "please" to the EM community. Changes on both sides (transmission) need to be made, along with changes at the starting point (initiation of alerts). Otherwise, the end users - listeners - will not gain the benefits that all this effort could accomplish. Finally - since this thread has a subject noted above ... are we really to believe that no one has asked the FCC for clarity on SECC and LECC issues in over 15 years? Either that is so, or surely the wonderful folks in DC would have issued a policy clarification long ago, wouldn't they? 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