Jeff, Baird makes many different variety of non penitrating mounts. I am using two of them, one for a 8 foot dish, and another for a 90cm dish. They use cinder blocks for the ballast. www dot bairdsatellitesupports dot com On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Craig Healy <bubba at dukes-of-hazzard.com> wrote: -- Sam Roffe