[BC] RKO Correction

Mon Oct 3 19:14:44 CDT 2005

Great list of what several calls are for but in the case of my (one of many)
alma maters, WRKO, Boston, was owned way back when by RKO General.

That stood for RADIO Keith Orpheum, NOT ROYAL, etc.

One of my favorites is suburban Boston -- WATD -- We're At The Dump. Xmtr
located at the landfill.

Dale Tucker
Radio World

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   1. RE: Re[2]: [BC] call letters and what they stand for
      (Paul Smith W4KNX)
   2. Cincinnati (Rivpapa1 at aol.com)
   3. Cyrmu: Barry in Wales (Rachel Ehrenberg)
   4. Re: Cyrmu: Barry in Wales (Scott Fybush)
   5. Re: Engineering school teachers (Xmitters at aol.com)
   6. Re: The craziest radio person I've heard about (Tom Bosscher)
   7. RE: call letters and their slogans (Dennis Cope)
   8. Re: Engineering school practical (Xmitters at aol.com)
   9. Re:  RE: [BC] call letters and their slogans (PeterH5322 at aol.com)
  10. Re: call letters and their slogans (R J Carpenter)
  11. RE: RE: [BC] call letters and their slogans (Dennis Cope)
  12. Re: Engineering school - half (Bob Foxworth)
  13. Re: Re: Engineering school teachers (Milton R. Holladay Jr.)
  14. Re: call letters and their slogans (Craig Bowman)
  15. Re: Gray Tone Arms Patent link (Milton R. Holladay Jr.)
  16. XM Radio Interference (Radiofldude at aol.com)
  17. Re: Engineering school - half (Alan Kline)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 15:23:22 -0400
From: "Paul Smith W4KNX" <paul at amtower.com>
Subject: RE: Re[2]: [BC] call letters and what they stand for
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And was owned by Storer... They had a 12 DA south of Detroit.  Was a beauty
to behold... It's 9 towers now. They opened up the pattern a little.
Probably easier to keep in line.  Have been told you could watch the common
point current fluctuate whenever a semi went by out front.

Paul Smith
W4KNX
Sarasota, FL

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WDEE used to be WJBK and was co-owned with WJBK-TV.  I don't know what JBK
stood for.

Ya know, it's kind of sad that the TV stations were spawned by the radio
stations, became very successful, and then sold off the radio stations which
gave the TV stations birth like Radio was an orphan child.
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  One very good radio station.  First station to use top 40 programming
  techniques with country music.  Worked like a charm.

  Paul Smith
  Sarasota, FL
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  > Years ago in Detroit.........
  > (New calls for a new format)
  >
  > WDEE   We've done everything else
  >
  >
  > Douglas E. Schleutker
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 16:17:19 EDT
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Subject: [BC] Cincinnati
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That is wonderful news Bill. I wish you the best success..Ron W6MAU

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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 13:50:04 -0700
From: "Rachel Ehrenberg" <ehrenberg at fastmail.fm>
Subject: [BC] Cyrmu: Barry in Wales
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Barry, have a restful time in one of the most beautiful spots in the
U.K.

http://www.walesonline.com/cds/arhydynos.htm

(click on Bryn Terfel's version)

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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 17:20:50 -0400
From: Scott Fybush <scott at fybush.com>
Subject: Re: [BC] Cyrmu: Barry in Wales
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I treasure my airchecks from my 2002 visit to Wales. If you've never heard
the Welsh language in action on the radio (and ever since the BBC World
Service discontinued their Welsh-to-Patagonia service, it's pretty much
impossible in North America), you're missing one of the more unusual
experiences out there. It sounds like something akin to listening to
someone clear their throat for several minutes at a time - albeit with
jingles and traffic reports and so on, all interspersed amidst the
broadcast.

At the risk of going off-topic, I hope Barry's itinerary includes a visit
to Portmeirion, the resort where "The Prisoner" was filmed in the sixties.
I think it was the most memorable vacation I've ever taken, anywhere!

s

At 01:50 PM 10/2/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>Barry, have a restful time in one of the most beautiful spots in the
>U.K.
>
>http://www.walesonline.com/cds/arhydynos.htm
>
>(click on Bryn Terfel's version)
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 17:55:49 EDT
From: Xmitters at aol.com
Subject: [BC] Re: Engineering school teachers
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In a message dated 10/1/05 4:24:00 PM Central Daylight Time,
broadcast-request at radiolists.net writes:

<< > Dunno about that...don't recall that the bottom 50% got weeded out the
 > 1st semester, but I'd say that roughly half the class did not return for
 > the 2nd year of classes.  I thought I came away with a pretty good
 > education.

    It seems to me, he FAILED TO TEACH half of the people that signed up
 to learn from him/her.  No?
    I think the school would be BETTER if they had a teacher/s that could
 teach ALL of the students that signed up (and paid) to learn.  No?

    If I FAILED to fix half of everything that breaks at work,
 I wouldn't have lasted a month.
 --
     Ron
  >>

Ron:

I do not agree that the teacher failed to teach half the class. Many times,
students enter a major not knowing if they are cut out for engineering, in
this
case. There is a high failure rate early on for a lot of reasons. This is
entirely different from the example you gave about fixing half of what
breaks.
That difference is, you are in a line of work that you are cut out for and
you
know that when you walk into a problem. This is not a fair comparison.

There are people that have no business in the teaching profession. However,
this fact does not mean that when little Johnny fails ELE-101 that the
teacher
failed to teach him. Maybe the teacher did fail, but then maybe little
Johnny
did not apply himself. Engineering classes require a lot of work and effort
and there are many people out there that do not want to do what it takes.

Jeff Glass, BSEE CSRE
WNIU WNIJ

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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 18:02:10 -0400
From: Tom Bosscher <tom at bosscher.org>
Subject: Re: [BC] The craziest radio person I've heard about
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Thomas G. Osenkowsky wrote:

<>>I sat in Johnny's chair the following Monday morning.<>
 >But wait, there's more!

    Tom, as always, you take first prize for prose with truth.
    My GM from whatever, came from the years around 1977 to 1979 or so.
Grand Rapids, Michigan the market. The FM was a huge money maker, but
even the Class 4 AM pulled in good numbers. But what drove this owner/GM
was his liquid lunches with his buddies at his sons bar/restaurant. You
learned to disappear around 1:30-2pm when he came back. One day, the AM
went off the air. I was paged. And where was I? In Grand Haven, a
lakeshore town some 30-45 minutes away. And what was I doing? Installing
one of those old fashioned low band marine radios on one of his drinking
buddies boat. I found a phone, called in, and the Am PD was telling me
what was wrong when the owner took the phone from him. "How much longer
before you finish the boat?" "About 2 hours yet". "Stay there and finish
it!". Think the PD was streamed?

    In 18 months we went through seven operations managers. The best
story was a guy who was hired from out of town. Showed up on a Monday
morning at 9am, left for lunch and never came back! Someone snuck a
small blackboard on his door that said "Ops Mgr in chalk!

   tom bosscher

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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 18:43:57 -0400
From: "Dennis Cope" <dcope at intercom.net>
Subject: RE: [BC] call letters and their slogans
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Subject: [BC] call letters and their slogans

W-W-N-S (Statesboro, Ga) - Welcome Where Nature Smiles

W-P-T-B (Statesboro, Ga) - Wonderful Place To Be

W-V-O-P (Vidalia, Ga) - Wonderful Voice Of Personality (originally WRQN)

W-B-B-T (Lyons, Ga) - We're Building a Better Toombs county

W-O-R-G (Orangeburg, SC) - Watching Orangeburg's Rapid Growth (now WPJK. Was
also WPJS)

W-M-G-A (Moultrie, Ga) - Watching Moultrie Grown Agriculturally (now
silent...license cancelled)

W-Y-O-K (Soperton, Ga) - We're Your Own Kind (now silent...license
cancelled)

W-J-A-T (Swainsboro, Ga) - Jack A. Thompson (original owner) The station had
a connected auditorium, which was named after his wife. It was called the
Nancy Auditorium

W-M-A-Z (Macon, Ga) - Watching Mercer Attain Zenith (Mercer University)
(call letters now on channel 13. Radio is WMAC. Was also WMWR for a brief
period)

W-T-W-A (Thomson, Ga) - Washington-Thomson-Warrenton-Area

W-T-O-C (Savannah, Ga) - Welcome To Our City (call letters now on channel
11. Radio is WTKN. Was also WWSA, WCHY)

W-L-E-T (Toccoa, Ga) - (R.G.) LeToureau (original owner) (originally WRLC)

W-C-C-P (Savannah, Ga) - Watching Chatham County Prosper (later WBYG, WQQT,
WWAM, WSAI. Now silent...license cancelled)

W-B-B-Q (Augusta, Ga) - Original owner George Weiss (Car 1 of the WBBQ 24
hour news fleet) was a Chicago native. Station was named after Chicago's
WBBM & WMAQ.

W-N-M-T (Garden City, Ga) - Weather-News-Music-Time (or as owner Chris
Watkins teased, Women Need Men Too, or We Need Money Too) Now
Silent...license cancelled.

W-F-B-C (Greenville, SC) - We Foster Better Citizenship. (calls now on 93.7
FM. AM is WYRD //WORD - Spartanburg)

W-P-G-C (Washington DC) Prince George County

W-B-O-C (Salisbury MD) Between the Ocean and the Chesapeake

W-C-M-S (Norfolk VA) We are your Country Music Station

W-N-O-R (Norfolk VA)  For the city of NORfolk VA

W-C-T-G (Chincoteague VA) Classic, Timeless & Great

W-R-K-O (Boston) Royal Keaf Orpium <spelling>

W-I-C-O (Salisbury MD) for Wicomico County Maryland

W-T-A-R (Norfolk VA) for the TidewAter Region

W-S-U-X (Seaford DE) for Sussex County Del.

W-S-B-Y (Salisbury MD) AWIPS identifier for Salisbury MD

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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 18:47:12 EDT
From: Xmitters at aol.com
Subject: [BC] Re: Engineering school practical
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In a message dated 9/30/05 6:52:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
broadcast-request at radiolists.net writes:

<<
 When one recognizes this fact and points it out by asking questions that
 place a competency challenged instructor in an embarrassing light it is
 often a shortcut to lower grades. IOW often the best course when you have
 more practical knowledge than the instructor is keeping you mouth shut,
 that is, if you want a respectable grade.

 Phil Alexander, CSRE, AMD >>

Phil:

I went to NIU to pursue my BSEE after 20 years as a broadcast engineer. I
have seen how some of these practical students conduct themselves and many
times
it is not very positive. Students must realize the purpose and scope of the
class when entering it. Most EE classes I took for Communications,
Electromagnetics, etc., were introductory. It is understood that there are
many branches of
those courses.

As an example, my Comms instructor told the class that the FCC has
restrictions on the PEP for standard AM broadcast stations. I was working at
WMAQ AM in
Chicago as the transmitter specialist. My first impulse was to raise my hand
and set this person straight. I did not do that. Instead I thought of the
various ways what he said could be analyzed and the likely skill level of
the other
students. I concluded that while there is no direct rule that I know of
about
PEP but there are limits on modulation and carrier power, that equals a
limit
on PEP in an indirect way.

Now suppose everyone in class read the chapter before class, understood AM
thoroughly based on what was in the book, and then this old fart (me) with
all
kinds of practical experience starts a debate with the instructor. The
instructor was presenting the material in the context of what was presented
in the
book. This important point is often missed by people overly impressed with
their
practical experience.

After class I explained to the instructor that we do not have a PEP monitor
as such, but we can measure the carrier power and modulation and calculate
the
resulting PEP. He knew I was employed by WMAQ. I thanked him for giving me a
way to look at PEP in a different light. I also explained why I did not say
anything in class. So what may appear as "stupidity" on the part of the
instructor may simply be an opportunity to learn something unexpected if the
student is
open minded enough to catch it, rather than trying to prove superiority over
the instructor.

An adversarial attitude toward the instructor does not serve a positive
result. I had about 18 students in that class, and they have probably gone
in 18
different directions. I had a very good rapport with that instructor for the
rest of the semester. This instructor is now the chair of the EE department
at
NIU and I occasionally have an opportunity to speak to him. Who knows what
could
result from this ongoing student/teacher relationship. However if I tangled
horns with him in class, I doubt he and I would have the same working
relationship we have now.

A lot of the students I have seen with all of this practical experience
rarely enter a class thinking this far ahead.

Jeff Glass, BSEE CSRE
Chief Engineer
WNIU WNIJ

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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 18:58:58 EDT
From: PeterH5322 at aol.com
Subject: Re:  RE: [BC] call letters and their slogans
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>W-R-K-O (Boston) Royal Keaf Orpium <spelling>

RADIO KEITH ORPHEUM

"Radio" referred to Radio Corporation of America.

"Keith" and "Orpheum" both referred to theater circuits of the same name.

Later, referred to R-K-O Radio Pictures.

Still later, referred to General Teleradio, which was the 50s/60s/70s
parent corporation of this and other stations in the former Don Lee radio
system, including WRKO, Boston, WOR, New York, KHJ, Los Angeles, KFRC,
San Francisco, CKLW, Windsor, Ontario (Detroit), etcetera.

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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 19:16:54 -0400
From: "R J Carpenter" <rcarpen at erols.com>
Subject: [BC] Re: call letters and their slogans
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Since I picked the call ---

WHFS originally stood for Washington's High Fidelity Station but we
decided to go stereo so the meaning morphed to Washington's High
Fidelity Stereo [station] before the station went on the air.

The call has since moved twice to other facilities in the DC /
Annapolis / Baltimore area.  Jake Einstein took the call with him when
he sold 102.3 and then bought 99.1 Annapolis.  Infinity bought 99.1
and recently took it Spanish and moved the call to 105.7
Catonsville/Baltimore.

105.7 is one of "those" allocations.  Nominally full class B, but only
over a narrow angle.  Really deep nulls to protect cochannel full B in
York, PA, only 47 miles away and 105.9 "full B" Woodbridge, VA, (DC)
48 miles away.  Catonsville and Woodbridge are roughly Class A
equivalent toward each other.

bob carpenter

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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 19:34:03 -0400
From: "Dennis Cope" <dcope at intercom.net>
Subject: RE: RE: [BC] call letters and their slogans
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Thanks Peter, :-)
I knew I was close (but no doughnut) and I am the worlds worst speller.

Dennis
WCTG, WESR

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>W-R-K-O (Boston) Royal Keaf Orpium <spelling>

RADIO KEITH ORPHEUM

"Radio" referred to Radio Corporation of America.

"Keith" and "Orpheum" both referred to theater circuits of the same name.

Later, referred to R-K-O Radio Pictures.

Still later, referred to General Teleradio, which was the 50s/60s/70s
parent corporation of this and other stations in the former Don Lee radio
system, including WRKO, Boston, WOR, New York, KHJ, Los Angeles, KFRC,
San Francisco, CKLW, Windsor, Ontario (Detroit), etcetera.

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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 20:03:45 -0400
From: "Bob Foxworth" <rfoxwor1 at tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [BC] Engineering school - half
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Some decades ago I thought I wanted to be an Electrical
Engineer. At the wise age of 17, not even old enough
to drink beer, yet wise enough to foresee my life's future.

I had been a ham since age 10. I got my First Phone
the same year I went to college. How Hard Could It Be ??

Off to a land grant college in Terbacky Country. A good
school, their graduates are very well educated. We ignored
the ignominy of the sophisticated liberals and their
Karrmann-Ghias, 30 miles west, calling us "cow college"
where the lucky ones had their own pickup to drive.

The way it worked at a land grant college, besides having
to take 2 years of ROTC, is that the school has to accept
EVERY applicant from in-state. This is a loooooot of people.
Three freshmen in a 12 foot room with two desks,
one sink, no phone, no fridge. (It's different today)

It must be buried deep in the fine print that there is no
law that says they have to GRADUATE every applicant.

Part of this process is to have Math 101 at 0800 six
days a week, then Chem 101, at 0800 six days a week,
the next  year is Physics 101, at 0800 six days a week.

I recall the failure rate in W. P. Seagraves' Chem 101
class was 70 percent, the year I took it. I think I made
a "D". (I had honors' chemistry in high school). I think
there were over 250 students in the lecture section. If
you sat in the back, you couldn't even see the blackboard
and they always ran out of the mimeo handouts.

The purpose of all this was to get the student body size
down to manageable level and to identify those who
were prepared to do extraordinary work to succeed.

I had the same lecture, the first week. It went, "look
at the guy on your left" "look at the guy on your right"
and "neither will be here next year". That is pretty
much how it went.  As an aside, there were perhaps
two dozen women in the entire engineering school
back then. I still have a receipt from them -  Out of State
tuition $273 for the semester. Housing extra.

Obviously the rules for a military survival class are
much different, and much more significant. This
is apples and oranges. If I were teaching NBC
(Nuc-Bio-Chem) I would want every graduate to
get it, as well.

ObRadio: The carrier current operation on 600 kc/s.
What a time waster, and good radio education -
all at the same time!

- Bob

> I couldn't agree more with Ron Youvan!  I was an electronics, NBC and
survival instructor in the military and it was my job to teach EVERYBODY
in my classes.  If a troop didn't get it then I worked with him until he
did.  That's what a REAL teacher does!
>
> Ron Dot'o
> Salem, OR.

>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Ron Youvan<mailto:ka4inm at tampabay.rr.com>
>   To: Broadcast Radio Mailing List<mailto:broadcast at radiolists.net>
>   Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 14:14
>   Subject: Re: [BC] Engineering school - half
>
>
>   >>> I clearly remember my first day of EE class at the same
institution that
>   >>> Mario attended.  The EE prof's first words were "at the end of
this
>   >>> semester, fifty percent of you will no longer be in this
>   >>> department."  He
>   >>> was right.  The bottom 50% received Fs.
>
>   >>   Humm, That must have been a poor teacher to fail at his job so
badly.
>
>   > Dunno about that...don't recall that the bottom 50% got weeded out
the
>   > 1st semester, but I'd say that roughly half the class did not
return for
>   > the 2nd year of classes.  I thought I came away with a pretty good
>   > education.
>
>      It seems to me, he FAILED TO TEACH half of the people that signed
up
>   to learn from him/her.  No?
>      I think the school would be BETTER if they had a teacher/s that
could
>   teach ALL of the students that signed up (and paid) to learn.  No?
>
>      If I FAILED to fix half of everything that breaks at work,
>   I wouldn't have lasted a month.
>   --
>       Ron

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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 20:14:58 -0400
From: "Milton R. Holladay Jr." <miltron at mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [BC] Re: Engineering school teachers
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The simple fact is that colleges have _proffessors_, not teachers, though a
majority, incidentally, can teach--some, wonderfully. But a fair number of
them fit the old adage that "those that can't _do_, teach; those that can't
teach, become critics."  A modest number are brilliant idiots who couldn't
pour piss out of a boot with directions on the heel, but who teach
acceptably; some are eccentrics who may or may not be suited to teach; a few
are misfits that probably should not be in contact with society at all, much
less teaching ....................
I suspect that a majority of them have had little or no teacher training
whatsoever.
M
----- Original Message -----
From: <Xmitters at aol.com>
To: <broadcast at radiolists.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 5:55 PM
Subject: [BC] Re: Engineering school teachers

> In a message dated 10/1/05 4:24:00 PM Central Daylight Time,
> broadcast-request at radiolists.net writes:
>
> << > Dunno about that...don't recall that the bottom 50% got weeded out
the
>  > 1st semester, but I'd say that roughly half the class did not return
for
>  > the 2nd year of classes.  I thought I came away with a pretty good
>  > education.
>
>     It seems to me, he FAILED TO TEACH half of the people that signed up
>  to learn from him/her.  No?
>     I think the school would be BETTER if they had a teacher/s that could
>  teach ALL of the students that signed up (and paid) to learn.  No?
>
>     If I FAILED to fix half of everything that breaks at work,
>  I wouldn't have lasted a month.
>  --
>      Ron
>   >>
>
> Ron:
>
>
> I do not agree that the teacher failed to teach half the class. Many
times,
> students enter a major not knowing if they are cut out for engineering, in
this
> case. There is a high failure rate early on for a lot of reasons. This is
> entirely different from the example you gave about fixing half of what
breaks.
> That difference is, you are in a line of work that you are cut out for and
you
> know that when you walk into a problem. This is not a fair comparison.
>
> There are people that have no business in the teaching profession.
However,
> this fact does not mean that when little Johnny fails ELE-101 that the
teacher
> failed to teach him. Maybe the teacher did fail, but then maybe little
Johnny
> did not apply himself. Engineering classes require a lot of work and
effort
> and there are many people out there that do not want to do what it takes.
>
> Jeff Glass, BSEE CSRE
> WNIU WNIJ

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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:18:36 -0400
From: Craig Bowman <craig1 at shianet.org>
Subject: Re: [BC] call letters and their slogans
To: Broadcast Radio Mailing List <broadcast at radiolists.net>
Message-ID: <434086EC.8090507 at shianet.org>
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WFBC (Now in Greenville, SC) originally was in Knoxville, TN on 1200 ...
and owned by the First Baptist Church.

WWNC, Asheville (Formally WABC owned by the Asheville Battery Company)..
stands for Wonderful Western North Carolina.

WPHM Port Huron Michigan .. formally owned by the Times Harold newspaper
and was originally called WTTH.

WJIM, Lansing, MI was named after the owner's son.. Jim.

Craig Bowman

Dennis Cope wrote:

>-----Original Message-----
>From: broadcast-bounces at radiolists.net
>[mailto:broadcast-bounces at radiolists.net]On Behalf Of
>jaybraswell at bellsouth.net
>Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 01:29
>To: Broadcast Radio Mailing List
>Subject: [BC] call letters and their slogans
>
>
>W-W-N-S (Statesboro, Ga) - Welcome Where Nature Smiles
>
>W-P-T-B (Statesboro, Ga) - Wonderful Place To Be
>
>W-V-O-P (Vidalia, Ga) - Wonderful Voice Of Personality (originally WRQN)
>
>W-B-B-T (Lyons, Ga) - We're Building a Better Toombs county
>
>W-O-R-G (Orangeburg, SC) - Watching Orangeburg's Rapid Growth (now WPJK.
Was
>also WPJS)
>
>W-M-G-A (Moultrie, Ga) - Watching Moultrie Grown Agriculturally (now
>silent...license cancelled)
>
>W-Y-O-K (Soperton, Ga) - We're Your Own Kind (now silent...license
>cancelled)
>
>W-J-A-T (Swainsboro, Ga) - Jack A. Thompson (original owner) The station
had
>a connected auditorium, which was named after his wife. It was called the
>Nancy Auditorium
>
>W-M-A-Z (Macon, Ga) - Watching Mercer Attain Zenith (Mercer University)
>(call letters now on channel 13. Radio is WMAC. Was also WMWR for a brief
>period)
>
>W-T-W-A (Thomson, Ga) - Washington-Thomson-Warrenton-Area
>
>W-T-O-C (Savannah, Ga) - Welcome To Our City (call letters now on channel
>11. Radio is WTKN. Was also WWSA, WCHY)
>
>W-L-E-T (Toccoa, Ga) - (R.G.) LeToureau (original owner) (originally WRLC)
>
>W-C-C-P (Savannah, Ga) - Watching Chatham County Prosper (later WBYG, WQQT,
>WWAM, WSAI. Now silent...license cancelled)
>
>W-B-B-Q (Augusta, Ga) - Original owner George Weiss (Car 1 of the WBBQ 24
>hour news fleet) was a Chicago native. Station was named after Chicago's
>WBBM & WMAQ.
>
>W-N-M-T (Garden City, Ga) - Weather-News-Music-Time (or as owner Chris
>Watkins teased, Women Need Men Too, or We Need Money Too) Now
>Silent...license cancelled.
>
>W-F-B-C (Greenville, SC) - We Foster Better Citizenship. (calls now on 93.7
>FM. AM is WYRD //WORD - Spartanburg)
>
>W-P-G-C (Washington DC) Prince George County
>
>W-B-O-C (Salisbury MD) Between the Ocean and the Chesapeake
>
>W-C-M-S (Norfolk VA) We are your Country Music Station
>
>W-N-O-R (Norfolk VA)  For the city of NORfolk VA
>
>W-C-T-G (Chincoteague VA) Classic, Timeless & Great
>
>W-R-K-O (Boston) Royal Keaf Orpium <spelling>
>
>W-I-C-O (Salisbury MD) for Wicomico County Maryland
>
>W-T-A-R (Norfolk VA) for the TidewAter Region
>
>W-S-U-X (Seaford DE) for Sussex County Del.
>
>W-S-B-Y (Salisbury MD) AWIPS identifier for Salisbury MD
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--
Craig Bowman
Bowman Engineering
Durand, MI 48429
989-277-8835

"Conscience is but a word that cowards use,
devised at first to keep strong men in awe."

William Shakespeare

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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:39:35 -0400
From: "Milton R. Holladay Jr." <miltron at mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [BC] Gray Tone Arms Patent link
To: "Broadcast Radio Mailing List" <broadcast at radiolists.net>
Message-ID: <091001c5c7c3$b224e640$2eb6f7a5 at miltron>
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The grease was right on the edge of liquid and solid ( depending on
temperature, I suspect. Somewhat thicker than STP, even.)
I had a 12" Japanese knock-off  by the name of Rystyl (sp?) which was
actually nicer than the 12' Grays.
Still lookung for a nice 108B..........
M
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Worsham" <media at gte.net>
To: "Broadcast Radio Mailing List" <broadcast at radiolists.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [BC] Gray Tone Arms > A number of tonearms use (used) fluid
dampening. This patent and the patent for the
> Gray 212/216 refer to a number of other patents, some to the shape of the
arm and
> others to fluids.
>
> The patent specifies the silicone "cst" rating for arm dampening. In this
case 2,000
> cst (thin as pancake syrup) to 100,000 cst (hot tar!!!). I once had a 108
arm, which I
> am trying to replace, and as I recall the dampening fluid was toward the
thick end of
> this range.
>
>
>
>
> "Don Worsham" media at gte.net

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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 23:48:27 EDT
From: Radiofldude at aol.com
Subject: [BC] XM Radio Interference
To: broadcast at radiolists.net
Message-ID: <202.b7779c7.3072040b at aol.com>
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My friend from Titusville, FL has his XM Radio transmitting to his car
radio
on 91.7Fm! Titusville is about 25 miles north of me here in Cocoa.

Within 1 mile of the WMIE 91.5 tower here in Cocoa(1 mile from me at
WTIR)..
he can't hear XM cuse WMIE bleeds in so bad that XM is  unlistenable.

Blah, pain in the ass.. i guess thats what 20kw/80feet HAAT will do to  ya!

Paul Walker
Cocoa, FL

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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 20:10:58 -0500
From: Alan Kline <akline at netins.net>
Subject: Re: [BC] Engineering school - half
To: Broadcast Radio Mailing List <broadcast at radiolists.net>
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------ At 10:16 AM 10/2/2005 -0700, The Most Honourable RON DOT'O SR.
wrote: -------
>I couldn't agree more with Ron Youvan!  I was an electronics, NBC and
survival instructor in the military

Who taught CBS and ABC??

ak
(ducking...)

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