They must be ***very*** b-b-b-bad 833s then. Powell >From: Ira Wilner <bdcst at vermontel.net> >Why? I've got a little client who runs through 833's twice a year and I >believe still has access to fresh tubes albeit the quality isn't what it >used to be. >--Ira >From: robertm >I am afraid that the closest you will get is a pair of 3-500s. ;-(