[BC] ABC/Citadel To Suspend IBOC on AM Stations?

Mike McCarthy Towers at mre.com
Sat Oct 6 06:20:30 CDT 2007


No I wasn't.at the time....and probably would have said the something to 
the same effect at the time to simply cool the rhetoric.  We don't need 
personal attacks on the lists.

I'm not saying Barry (or Tom or anyone else) are completely correct or 
incorrect. Though I firmly believe with Barry that IBOC as we know it now 
is a flawed spectrum use premise with an even more flawed business plan and 
will permanently damage the fabric of the band if not corralled and 
soon.  I also commented long ago that I expect the lawyers to get involved 
fairly quickly.  It seems that is coming to reality as well.

The deep 1st adjacent problems are murky and troublesome as WJR and WABC 
and other incidents have pointed out. 2nd adjacent issues are far more 
prevalent.

Maybe AM IBOC is a day-time only medium.  Only to go away at sunset like so 
many daytimers. Too bad....

HOWEVER, I also believe that something needs to be done to give AM stations 
something more.  And IBOC as a technology is showing that AM can have audio 
sounding something closer to FM in terms of  perceived "quality" (and I use 
that term very loosely.)  The codec in place today is lightyears better 
than the codecs previously employed.  So it is possible to have good 
sounding AM.  DRM also provides the same experience within the same 10Khz 
channel, albeit with the loss of analog reception.  I commend Tom Ray and 
others who have specifically worked towards improving the band...even if 
the effort in the end may prove fruitless.

Maybe some elimination of carriers might get rid of the 2nd adjacent 
issue.  Sure, it would result in a loss of high end and maybe some QoS 
reliability.  But we all know the 2nd adjacent IX is where the REAL problem 
lays....

But lets stop calling people liars and throwing provocative adjectives 
around.....and realize the gain being made here.  Many old legacy AM plants 
long in need of cleaning up are being cleaned up.  That is good not only 
from a band standpoint, but from a business standpoint.

MM

At 12:14 AM 10/6/2007 -0400, Robert Meuser wrote
>Mike:
>
>Strange you were not around pretending to not be the moderator when Barry 
>received personal unfounded attacks on this same list. You Chicago guys 
>seems to be the root of IBOC demise, cool your skywave.
>
>R
>
>Mike McCarthy wrote:
>>I'm not the moderator....but ENOUGH with the FINGER POINTING and CHEST 
>>POUNDING.  It does the discourse absolutely no good.
>>There are aspects to both sides of the issue which valid arguments can be 
>>made.  But this "nah nah--told ya so" is counter productive.
>>MM
>>At 11:10 PM 10/5/2007 -0400, Barry McLarnon wrote
>>
>>>As I predicted, back in August:
>>>http://www.broadcast.net/pipermail/radio-tech/2007-August/181673.html
>>>
>>>However, a noted authority on AM IBOC has stated that my posts are laced 
>>>with
>>>lies and malarkey, so you must have been mistaken in what you thought you
>>>heard.
>>>
>>>But wait, now both WJR and WABC have stopped running digital at night...
>>>whatever could this mean?
>>>
>>>Barry
>>>
>>>--
>>>Barry McLarnon  VE3JF  Ottawa, ON
>>
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